3308: Northminster Presbyterian, Phoenix, Arizona, USA

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May 28, 2018

I was surprised that Miss Amanda, my favorite Mystery Worshipper, had never heard "forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us" in the Lord's Prayer.

I believe that she is an Episcopalian, as am I. This is the official Rite 2 version - though many churches do not seem to use it. It is on page 364 of the Book of Common Prayer.

Ms Jean Imperatrice

Amanda B. Reckondwythe replies:

Thank you for the compliment!

The "sins/sin against us" language is in the modern Lord's Prayer, for whose existence I see no justification. Northminster Presbyterian used the traditional Lord's Prayer language except for the "sins" phrase.

Personally I would not return to an Episcopal Church that used Rite 2 with the modern language. Most Rite 2 celebrations I’ve been to use the traditional (and, for me, the only acceptable) language.